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The automation level in the first segment (lettuce greenhouse) is impressive. The potatoes are interesting but they look to be sort of labor intensive. Maybe other versions will be more like the lettuce plant as they create more automation for it.
The potatoes aren’t more labor intensive than tomatoes or strawberries.
If you thought that was labor intensive, you should have seen how they were harvested a hundred years ago.
They might still be done that way in some countries.
@@apveening They are labor intensive compared to traditional methods of growing potatoes in the ground. That happens within about a mile of my house. The planting, harvesting etc is all done by machine. So per ton of potatoes – yes, it is much more labor intensive.
@@csh7119 See my comment to apveening. Many things were more labor intensive 100 years ago. I’m comparing to common in ground modern techniques.
@davidbwa Perhaps I didn’t make it clear.
I remember a friend of mine going to Greece, oh, 30years ago? Anyway, the way he described it was like 100 years ago.
Industrialized farming isn’t everywhere, I guess I could say.
This all looks good but my question has always been how do we know the food for consumption has been grown with the right amount of minerals in the water. Plants do make vitamins but they don’t make minerals, plants take up minerals in their environment through their roots which are usually in soil. NPK and minerals are something I don’t hear mentioned in these videos.
这恐怕是水与土壤的区别，还有灯照和太阳照的区别，微量元素很难复制。
Quite easy, plants won’t grow without the necessary minerals and other nutrients, so they will have to be provided with the water in the correct amounts.
@Bert Veening so, you think, health comes out of a packet? So YOU can provide the vitamins? Circumventing God a bit?
@swissmaid The plants will create the vitamins. As for god, I don’t believe in fairy tales.
Really simple, the seller don’t care you got a good taste or decent amount of healthy components. As long as fruit looks good it will sell. A study made in France on apples showed it lost 90% of its nutritional benefits over 50 years.
Świetne. Jak komuś nie przeszkadza całkowity brak smaku warzyw hodowanych “na wodzie”.
same as normal potato, because of growing with same alimentation
@jiang zhao You’ve obviously never eaten potatoes grown normally in soil.
@@jiangzhao1142 Of course you don’t know how the “real” potatoes taste! This is dangerous to all of us. They never will make real product they just “mimic” , but its worthless as a food even for animal feed. Anything to grow needs soil and sun (and of course good air) There will be many people who don’t mind this type of “feed” (hardly food) To all of you Bon Appetite !
@kasia sobczyk don’t be afraid science technology body, LOL， we have been eat these food and now grow up to more than 7 billion people, human will not have so many people if have not these technology.
Na chemii z wodą
Farming is quite easy and very less expensive without these tricks…. 🙂
Yes. These tricks are very difficult and cost intensive. Taking a potato, putting it in the ground, waiting for 13-16 weeks, then digging up ten times as many potatoes, that is easy.
Make a guess how much they invested in all the machines and the plastic tray, I would bet it is ten times that. And you have to make sure that no germ gets into this factory, or your entire monoculture will go to waste.
@Bill Dasther Caue we have been doing this for hundreds of generations?
Farming IS easy when you’re growing 5 potatoes at a time…try growing something on a larger scale ( hundreds or thousands of acres worth) out in harsh daily conditions…I’m not bitching, just saying farming ain’t easy out in the real world where everything’s a gamble and u cant cover up your crop when conditions arent favorable.. so it’s easy for u to say that
@Donald Duck It doesn’t really seem it is worth the investment and input costs for a crop of such low value as a potatoe, if they were growing marijuana this way it would make sense.
@Garlic and Chili Preppers “Low value potatoes.” Well, for me in my garden it is of extremely high value, cause it gives the most calories per acre. But for sales purposes one would indeed expect herbs first. Although I once toured (well, from the outside, but with a guide) a totally automatic greenhouse without any human interference and a conveyor belt inside so that all plants came by that small door/window where humans could reach inside. And they grew corn/maize. It was for research purposes, but a single stalk of corn dows not produce much, either.
I think the idea of using this for feeding livestock is a good idea, so we can use the land we currently use for animal feed for humans instead. Also it’s not too late to repair the damage we’ve done to our topsoils. We can utilize methods such as cover cropping, crop rotation, plant tree and shrubs at farm borders and down the middle of fields in a line to help prevent runoff, and designate aisles or patches to the wild on a rotation basis to introduce pollinators and natural pest predators like birds, bees, frogs and bats. All of this would be a lot more economical to do if we just didn’t have such an insatiable appetite for cheap meat, especially beef.
Agree
It really tastes bad and just five days you can not use it anymore 🙂
The problem will always be the system itself. When money is fake, you get problems like farming the right way not even being a viable option, because profit is king. The most basic essential that we need to survive, and it’s not even economically viable for people to farm? Until the system changes, real work will never pay what it should, because all the money can be made by people sitting behind a computer trading stocks.
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@Ernie Nettles yeah the problem right now is the real cost of meat is subsidized so it does artificially seem like the profit is there when actually the planet is suffering a huge cost. At some point the cost of soil and land will be so precious that subsidies won’t be able to afford it
I found out years ago that you dont need dirt for potatoes. I grew a lot of them just by covering them with hay and dry grass clippings. You need to add more as the potatoes get larger and the hay flattens out, but harvesting it is super easy and not as messy.
Shall remember this one!
I do this too!
I wounder how much vitamins and minerals will be missing in the potato
@Thore Karlsson yes, it’s probably GMOs sip
@Yoko ChaBoska I think he meant since it’s not getting nutrients from the soil . IDT it was a GMO comment oof.
I would think there’s a problem with the absence of trace elements and vitamins normally found in soil. The idea is to make production cheap and fast, which probably precludes adding the essential substances. And in the case of mist-farming it is impossible to add anything to the water without gradually clogging up the nozzles.
The new food will just be calories in various shapes, forcing people to buy and eat supplements produced by big pharma to prevent malnutrition…
You are wrong, usually there are absence of elements in the soil and plant have to grow massive root system to found and absorb it. Nutrient solution gives everithing is needed right away. Plus all mineral salts are dissolved, so there is no threat to nozzles.
This is again a project of industry. Let’s be true and acknowledge the facts. If there is a free market in agriculture all, really all German farmers of any kind will disappear and with it their complex wonderful culture. This is known for more than 40 years. All countries in Western Europe protect for this reason their farmers. To produce any piece of food for public consumption you need an authorial permission. Such a permission I would never give.
@Алексей Игошин Solubles are always a problem with nozzles, especially if the water-hardness is high.
@Gauri Blomeyer Yes, agriculture is — one way or the other — subsidized everywhere because a stable food production is a must.
I don’t know the specifics for Germany, which like Sweden has traditionally based its main export on industrial hardware, but Denmark and the Netherland have huge surplus exports of high quality agricultural products despite gradually going back to ecological, sustainable methods.
Giving food production over to industry would spell disaster, because such enterprises form „exit strategies“ right from start and can only survive longterm with aggressive takeovers, gradually becoming huge monopolies which invariably begin dictating terms (like big pharma and big tech) once they have the market cornered and the politicians bribed.
Only farmers has the necessary love for nature and the farming traditions which must evolve carefully in order for the production to be stable, healthy and sustainable.
What the WEF is making the government do to the Dutch farmers spells catastrophe imo…
@Алексей Игошин Human hubris. As if everything about plant life is understood by human, or so they try to make you believe so that you are willing to buy their products.
It was a project that I really wanted to do in a small farmland area or a place with cheap and wide land, but it is surprising that the infrastructure is higher than I thought.
The infrastructure cost is enormous plus the cost of constantly running pumps for the water recirculation and water treatment is costly too. I used to work in plant wholesale nurseries and I was surprised at first at how much actually went into everything. So much that people just don’t realise goes on and into everything. You don’t just connect a hose and turn on a tap, there is so much more, not to mention the constant maintenance as well.
it could be interesting to see it in a smaller scale for home use
❤ Son los cultivos del futuro, hace muchos años aprendí esa técnica, mi problema es que tuve la oportunidad de realizarlo…
Muito top isso , eu tenho um pequena produção hidroponica , comecei a poucos meses , tive uma ótima produção, vendi minha bancada toda aqui , e já comecei a produzir mais eu mesmo planto sem substrato, uso espuma fenolica , sou do Brazil e quero aumentar e produzir mais e mais coisa com a hidroponia .
Legal amigo, quanto vc lucra numa remessa? Lucro mesmo, descontado as despesas para replantar e manutenção do teu valor de faturamento
Hi,
I’m really interested in this, but I’ve one question.
Is this sustainable regarding “waste”?
I mean: on a traditional farm, you have a lot of land, but here you have a a lot of plastic cables, plastic bags, you’re using energy… How does this add up to the environmental impact?
I’m really curious about that, because I think that’s the deciding factor to say if it’s a good alternative.
It will eventually become more systainable as the culture around it is more climate focused but overall the good outweighs the bas tremendously, through reduction of soil erosion, high yeilds in city farms and decreased food scarcity. Hydroponics will contribute to the post scarcity ideal that we aim for.
Tractors require a massive use of energy (usually gas)…
Also as the nutrients are easily washed away in the soil (by rain) farmers use much more nutrients (which pollutes, nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus) than required by the plants which causes eutrophication. It also requires less water and less phytosanitary products than soil-in cultures.
Also it can produce much more per m² when correctly managed (up to x5)…
In my country we eat out of the soil tomatoes 8 to 9 months a year and they’re basically 2 times cheaper, which means it allows more people to eat enough vegetables and it benefits public health. Mainly because of very high productivity.
There are many advantages. The light can be a major issue for wild fauna, though.
Those are pretty small potatoes. Nonetheless, very interesting. As you said until now soilless growing has been basically used to produce salads. However, to make a real impact we need to produce some calories and so potato production is a good start. Then we can illuminate multi story farms with super efficient magenta LEDs using renewable energy, close to population centers.
Do you know how the Potatoes and other plants get NPK and the other trace minerals?
Im curious if you can grow it with natural light
@sjewitt22 there are hydroponic nutrients. Many different kinds
@@CUBETechiethere if nothing different about the photos that come your sun and the ones from the lights used for indoor farming a as long as it’s white light like the suns bet you could but it would require a more open building and then going up instead of out isn’t possible
@@RobertSaxy i mean because artificial light use a lot of energy
This might be the reason why so many things are becoming tasteless. I grew some potatoes and a small variety of other veggies in garden beds with compost and organic fertilizers and found a huge difference in taste. Now I grow as much as I can at home. I have 27 fruit trees, grow 4 different varieties of potato, and several other veggies and fruits as well as herbs like Rosemary, marjoram, thyme, oregano and a few others plus spices such as chillies and pepper. I am looking at increasing the variety of veggies, herbs, fruits and spices plus I’m going to start breeding my own meat such as lamb, chicken, duck and maybe a few others as well. I know the fruit and veg that I currently grow tastes a heck of a lot better than most of the stuff from the supermarkets. I encourage others to see what they can grow at home in the ground if they have enough space in their yards. Replace ornamental plants with edible plants. Instead of growing a Box hedge, try growing a Rosemary hedge. There are several varieties of Rosemary and plenty of other herbs that are suitable for growing as a hedge. They smell a lot better and when you trim them you have heaps of herbs for your kitchen and maybe even enough to sell some and make a little extra money. And it tastes better than the shop bought stuff too.
The tastelessness is because of being picked unripe for storage. If you grow hydroponic fruits and vegetables at home, they also taste a lot better than the grocery store. Generally hydroponic produce tastes better than in dirt produce mainly because the plants are healthier due to everything being dissolved rather than the plant relying entirely on bacteria in the soil to provide nutrition. However, it is very easy to do hydroponics wrong if you make the wrong feed, which is equivalent to a depleted soil condition. A simple solution is to just take the soil you normally would plant in and dissolve it in water and filter out the sediment. This is your baseline you then can add other nutrients to make up what the soil is missing. Doesn’t work for all hydroponic systems though due to the abrasiveness of the solution vs one made entirely from dissolved chemicals.
Many factors have an influence on the taste. Such a how ripe it is (too ripe for stores isn’t good as after a few days everything is rotting). Has it been harvested 2 hours ago or 4 days ago? What variety is used?
Obviously hydroponic tomatoes aren’t very tasty: they use the tomatoes that allows the most Kg of tomatoes per m². if they’d use the aromatic tomatoes they’d have like 2x less tomatoes… The productivity tomatoes tend to be easier to work with aswell: when some varieties need to be very carefully stocked on a single layer the productivity tomatoes can be put on 2-3 layers without much of an issue.
It’s usually better in taste at home as you can pick the most ripe ones and eat the most fresh ones. Less logistic issues.
It seems to be a great idea especially if it brings food production closer to the major population centers.
Would love to see the nutrient content of those crops.
Very cool. One problem might be a lack of minerals/nutrition without soil.
Muito top esses sistemas de cultivos!
I want you to imagine, for every downtown where they have skyscrapers, one sky scraper is dedicated to hydroponics, and every floor, with minimum walls, is just this level of food production.
their nutrients could be from fish in the basement that the water has to circulate from, and you can probably make a closed loop ecosystem where by nutrients are natrually produced, but also where by not only veggitables but different fish are equally cultivated.
you can also dedicate an area for mushrooms.