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WOW…in theory.. it would seem that the DWC would have been slightly larger than the plain kratky…but awesome experiment! ..I love teaching the basic Kratky method to beginners..they are always so amazed at how it works. I’d say if you have time and like to do this.. a larger number of side by sides in the two formats would be great.
I had 6 Black Seeded Simpsons in a mortar box last Summer. I threw in an air stone with a small aquarium pump. As I moved the stone around the tank, the roots closest to it did the worst. I finally yanked the stone, and went full Kratky for a good harvest. I don’t think there was anything wrong with your test. I think that lettuce just doesn’t like the bubbles.
I did the same experiment with a Desert Rose. The Kratky mason jar plant grew bigger and bloomed 2 months quicker than the DWC.
Great video. KRATKY REALLY DOES WORK! Mike Vanduzee taught me real well and for the first time after many years of trying, I ate my first bowl full using his KRATKY method! Khang, you taught me how and Mike taught me how to perfect it. I thank both of you for all you do!
Thank you Mr. Starr. You make things look simpler than they really are. Please kindly repeat the experiment with multiple lettuce plants on larger DWC container like those of Mr. Peter Stanley and compare to Krakty method multiple plants as well. Thanks.
My guess is moving water disturbed the roots way too much. Your setup was creating big bubbles which moved the water like tsunami. An air stone should have been used to divide the air into fine bubbles like champagne. You should try with a sump pump that periodically pumps water up and drain back down through the root system or use a water mister to mist the roots but keep the water level below the root system. I have seen other people’s comparisons and they have just the opposite results. The benefit of the Kratky method is it saves energy, i.e., no need to use any electricity, but at only a slightly less vigorous growth. I believe your DWC was pretty much drowned the whole time.
Great suggestion! I will try again in the future with an airstone with small, fine bubbles.
Khang Starr You’re a really good guy, aren’t you? Thanks for your work.
@Heartland Light khang starr spreading love in the gardening community. today I’m grateful for you khang. not sure if youll see this but Ive been binging your videos all day and dang what a treat keep it up friend
You’re probably correct. Great points.
Kosherpork? But how?
Khang, I enjoy your videos and thanks for the mention. With Kratky, the plants initially deal with a lot of water. They respond by pumping water out their leaves through transpiration and putting on lots of vegetation. This increases the amount of roots exposed to air for gas exchange. The DWC plant has gas exchange provided by the air pump and in your video makes a tighter head of lettuce. Over more days, the DWC lettuce will likely be 15-20% heavier and more compact. Maybe the DWC plant would have been closer in comparison if the air gap around the net cup and the aeration were adjusted. Rockwool holds a lot of water, and the constant splashing permitted the lettuce in DWC to stay hydrated, while the Kratky plant had to keep reaching with it’s roots to get water.
Regardless of the outcome failing to meet expectations, it may provide support to the argument that the Kratky method is probably the easiest ‘ponic method being almost failsafe and probably the one for a first-timer to try.
This is so true. For a beginner who is just dipping their toes into hydroponics, the fact that you can get a good outcome with such a basic setup is a huge confidence boost to experiment further.
Agreed! Very cool to see
I’m not sure why anyone would get upset, your videos are experimental & informative. Just discovered your channel & love your videos
Because there is such a thing as bad science. The cold temps completely sabotaged the DWC method. This isn’t being biased, it is indeed fact.
@jansen55 what does dwc stand for
@jansen55 cold water is your friend people buy water chillers for a reason
Can you repeat the experiment with more plants? Sometimes seedlings that look the same grow at much different rates. Sometimes some of the plants grow poorly made due to the plant’s genetics in the seed. A higher sample size will probably give you more accurate results. I agree with you that adding air to the number should have produced better growth.
Note to those calling this experiment “bad science”:
It’s not automatically bad science, per se. Could the experiment be improved? Obviously, as is implied several times throughout the video. The results simply show that in this single, 1 to 1 comparison trial, DWC mod versus Kratky, in a relatively cold room, provided similar nutrients and light levels (and visually similar sprouts), the outcome was that the plant growing in the Kratky method performed better. While it’s obvious that this was an extremely small test group, I believe this experiment still has considerable merit.
Yes, it could be argued that the cold ambient temperatures caused the DWC plant roots to remain at a relatively cooler temperature than its Kratky counterpart, due to the circulation of ambient air created by the air pump and stone. Personally, this is my suspicion. However, this may simply show a possible strength of Kratky method versus DWC in cooler temperatures when growing short cycle, leafy greens. To be sure this is the case, one would need to do another test that included tracking nutrient solution temperatures throughout the experiment and comparing the results based on ambient temperature and method utilized. The experiment could also be replicated in a warmer environment, to see if temperature was the critical/limiting factor.
Additionally, it is also possible that this modified DWC method behaves differently enough from true DWC that the results may not accurately represent outcomes using traditional DWC methodologies. In most DWC I’ve seen and used, DWC required roots always completely submerged and nutrient solution aerated. This is typically achieved through floating raft systems or DWC “bucket” systems utilizing float valves and additional solution reservoirs to keep the nutrient solution completely topped off at all times. If someone wanted, they could perform this type of experiment with those changes. I’d be interested to see if the results would be any different.
In the end, there is no point in attributing emotions to small sample experiments such as this. It’s clear that this in not a completely comprehensive, long-term, exhaustive study of the two methods (stated several times throughout the video.) DWC does not need our appreciation, nor does the Kratky method. There is also no prize (real or imagined) in championing one method over another as being objectively superior in all situations. Having been directly involved in hydroponic and aquaponic systems for years, I can personally state that both methods (DWC and Kratky) have their strengths and weaknesses, from both a production and financing perspective. In my experience, Kratky is often superior to DWC when it comes to small scale, short life, fast growth, leafy greens and herbs (leaf lettuces, basil, etc.) Why pay to buy the pumps/tubing/airstones/float valves/reservoir tank/floating rafts/etc and use additional electricity to aerate nutrient solution if growing two or three small heads of lettuce is the goal, and there is enough dissolved oxygen or oxygen available to the roots suspended in the air gap to grow in an extremely healthy fashion using the Kratky method? Kratky is simple and very approachable for this type of usage. Kratky does, however, often encounter considerable trouble when trying to grow larger, longer-life plants such as peppers and tomatoes, as the growing solution often needs refilling , and oxygenation via air pump is generally necessary (no longer Kratky at that point.) This is where DWC really shines, as this method excels at growing these types of long-life plants that need a constant supply of nutrient solution and considerable amounts of dissolved oxygen to grow well over long periods of time. For these applications, DWC is almost always superior.
In my opinion, although this experiment was not extensively comprehensive and the test group was small, it is still quite good science. For the practical purposes of a person getting started in hydroponics by simply growing a single head of lettuce under a grow light, I think this is a valuable guide that demonstrates the strengths and simplicity of the Kratky method of hydroponics.
It’s fake science
Great job
Now just publish it.
TLDR
To avoid the chance of damaging the roots of the seedlings, you could Sprout the seeds in the rock wool cubes instead of in soil.
The Rockwool cubes are like, nearly the price of a head of lettuce. I suppose you could buy in bulk, but it’s something to consider
@Jeff Hooper not sure where you are buying your rockwool cubes, but 1.5 inch grodan cubes breakdown to about 20 cents each. Plus, they are reusuable if you just throw them in the oven at 500 degrees for 15 minutes. I cannot get lettuce for 20 cents.
Late response, but my immediate observation is that the turbulence caused by aeration is hindering root development. This may be less of a concern with a weaker flow or wider basin. As always, great video, thanks again!
I thought that too, i just added a pump to my kratky jar and realised the pump was disturbing the root alot so switched it off
From what I can assess, the flaw in the experiment was using the pump before significant growth started, as it may have also pumped in cooler air than the other plant had to suffer. Add also that the pump may have supplied CO from outside that will kill anything. But the Kratky method looks like a great start up system while building a large Aquaponics system for my purposes. 🙂
Most likely what happened is when you pumped air into your container that caused the PH to drift upward (this is known to happen with DWC). PH level directly dictates how fast your roots can process nutrients (I typically keep mine at 5.8). A more fair test you would use a $15 digital PH meter of Amazon. You would then bubble the water for both plants for 24hrs (oxidizing helps prevent PH drift). Add your nutrients and then using PH down get the water to 5.8 PH. After that check every 3 days (or each day if you prefer) and adjust PH to keep them the same. That will get you a good idea which is better. Knowing PH his critical for anyone wanting to grow hydroponic fast!
Love the experiments as always Khang! Keep rockin’ it!
It’s not a perfect experiment, but then again, even the genetics from one seed to the next will never be perfectly the same…so therefore even the best of experiments under controlled situation would never end up perfectly the same.
I know this is an old video but I love revisiting all of your old videos, the experiment vids as well as the educational vids. I just have one question: What kinds of jars are those? I like the fact that they have a screw-on lid. It makes it more convenient to move w/o worry of having the lid lift off.
On the DWC I think your supposed to leave 1” of air space between the bottom of the net pot to top of water level. This will allow for air and oxygen circulation. Great video!
15:22, yes I think the key to doing an experiment like this would have been to add maybe 3-5 plants for each method, it would have given a more decisive conclusion. Still the experiment was very interesting, before you started I too thought the DWC method would be the bigger producer…the reason I thought so was the possibility of the nutrients settling versus the bubbler moving nutrients. Thanks for do this!
Awesome video as usual!! Nice to have someone experiment with things and record for people to learn from. Helps me alot. Thanks man🤙